Tuesday, 23 August 2011 13:36

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Changes!

So, there's been alot of talk behind the scenes of our release standards, and we've come to some conclusions including what we think of Hi10p and FLAC... Read after the break.

Hi10p, Hi10p, Hi10p!!! That's all I ever hear nowadays from encoding sites :P So, here's our response to it: "We f**king love it!" And here's why:

  1. MUCH LESS banding. 10-bit encodes means.. 10-bit color.. meaning there are more colors to use to fill up gradient areas. Especially as a group who prioritizes smaller file sizes, banding has always been the number 1 largest issue, and this.. basically solves it.
  2. Smaller File Sizes. 10-bit encoding works much more efficiently than 8-bit. This means that for the same file size in 8-bit, we could almost see 2x the quality in 10-bit. In a world where ISPs continuously up connection speeds yet limit bandwidth, small file sizes are a huge benefit.
  3. It's the future... 10-bit is new, and will quickly become the norm in video encoding in a couple years. Why not start early?

Yes, we know there are downsides. With the biggest one being that this pretty much 100% rules out anyone with an old single core processor. 10-bit encodes, by nature, simply take alot more processing power. Unfortunately, we'd be stuck in the past forever if we continued using dying standards to provide compatibility. If you are one of those affected by this upgrade and need a new computer but don't know what to get. Email us at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. and I'll personally help you pick parts out. XD

FLAC... Ever since the start of this group, we've defined FLAC as our standard audio format. Then a good point was brought up: The FLAC audio file sizes are almost the same as our video encodes. As a group dedicated to bring reasonable file sizes, that means that FLAC is no longer really fitting our standards, especially with the smaller sizes of 10-bit encodes. So, as of now, we are official dropping FLAC as a standard. Maybe one day will come where we'll use FLAC again for some reason or another. But unless we say so, all new releases will now be AAC.

However, we are encoding AAC in 320Kbps (most of the time). (Well, we actually encode with VBR, so it's not a constant 320Kbps, but if I use Q values, 80% of you won't understand.) Now, I know what you're thinking... "I can totally hear the difference between 320Kbps and FLAC in my music though!" Well... besides the fact that you most likely can't (as shown in various studies), you also have to remember this is AAC, not MP3. Meaning a 320Kbps AAC file will be equivalent quality of a MP3 file in something like 512Kbps (If MP3 could go that high >.>). Now if you can claim that you can hear the difference between 512Kbps MP3 and FLAC (Averaging around 1.2Mbps), then I guess you should contact me and I'll help you get the world record for the most sensitive human ear XD. But with all jokes aside, I can assure you 100% (as long as you don't convince yourself in your head otherwise), that you will hear NO difference between our AAC encodes and FLAC.

If you need to re-proccess the audio yourself (i.e. upmix to 5.1Ch or apply custom filters), Q.06-0.8 (~320Kbps) is more than enough birate to provide a smooth output. Remember that the audio is from a lossless BD source, and we're encoding at a much higher birate than most TV-rip groups do. There should be no downgrade in quality as we switch into AAC at all.

As far as the release schedule for Hi10p goes... All new releases will be in the format unless otherwise specified. The exception is Index II Full Batch which will stay in 8-bit because the half batch was already 8-bit. Even 720p releases of shows that already have 1080p will be in Hi10p as well.

I'm still in the process of thoroughly testing Hi10p compatibility with various players/codecs/devices and will get a Playback Guide up as soon as possible. Till then, Haruhichan has a good guide you guys can use if you can't playback it correctly. http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/?p=205

Further thoughts from Rev:

My thoughts concerning backwards compatibility to really old machines: A BD-Encoding site is not the correct place to lurk for anime here. At least don't expect to be able to playback FullHD content for all eternity with that. 10 bit might eventually be supported by Hardware decoding, so even weaker Notebooks could decode them fluidly. I'm against making another round of extra 8bit encodes.

Concerning FLAC: We always strife to knock off the last bit of bitrates to deliver nice and small encodes. Why are we adding on lossless audio then? Why aren't we as picky with video, hell, even certain CRF 13 encodes (cough cough) are being looked down upon. Ever seen 1 minute of FullHD content in a lossless video codec? It's giganto-friggin' HUGE. I personally feel using FLAC is a kind of hypocrisy. I don't have the best ears nor do I own the best
possible audio hardware, yet I underwent an ABX test to see it for myself. Down to certain bitrates of AAC (or Advanced Audio Codec, the equivalent to the AVC that is x264, our beloved Advanced Video Codec) I "believed" that I could hear some kind of difference. But over a vertain threshold it truly only was a self-made make-believe. I couldn't pass the ABX with a convincing percentage of correct picks.

Now I do realize that no other groups would ever drop flac, because HDDs are so cheap nowadays... well, if you didn't buy all those HDDs maybe you had the money left for a decent PC with budget hardware that could actually play back all the stuff you downloaded. And much more.

-Revenant

Anyways, we'd love to hear opinions and thoughts. However, the decisions here are pretty much final...

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# Apachai | 2011-12-29 15:11
Congratulation on going Hi10p and AAC !

I never understood why you still released FLAC encodes instead of AAC.
AAC with high q settings is a much better choice than FLAC.
The very purpose of encoding is optimizing the ratio Quality/Size and you are striving for great quality while keeping reasonably small file size.

So thank you for your work it is very much appreciated !
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# wakusuru | 2011-11-12 22:37
too bad for u guys then...
sadly...i can hear the difference between lossless and lossy, even more so lately since losslessone stopped releasing. guess you westerners havent evolved as fast as us yet...sigh...go back to your caves then...
and i thought elysium-subs would be the group to save us all...

shouldve found this post earlier :(
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# Harry | 2011-09-26 14:18
I'm all for this, I like the new Hi10 format, but still not sold on FLAC, as you mentioned, I can't notice the difference, I don't usually mind sacrificing space for better quality video but i'm not as keep to do so with the sound.
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# Katnip | 2011-09-05 15:31
Is it weird that I followed everything on how to play hi10, but couldn't get some functions to work?
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# Uiharu | 2011-09-06 20:38
Well yeah, since hi10 still not well developed and old school like 8-bit
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# Jack | 2011-09-03 09:08
sorry if I missed this somewhere, but with hi10p and switching to AAC,
will you all still be keeping the filesize around the same standards as before? Meaning higher video bitrate compared to before ,
or will you all be keeping the same video bitrate/crf setting as before ? (meaning higher quality due to hi10p)
Or... will you all reduce the amount of bitrate for video as well due to the benefit hi10p brings to maintain the same quality..?
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# Ametatsu | 2011-09-03 18:04
it's going to be roughly the same size, probably a little bit smaller. regardless, it will have better quality than 10-bit
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# Blazing Badger | 2011-09-01 10:44
I was wondering with this added emphasis on file size have you thought about ordered chapters? It is a slight hassle with some players but it does cut down on file size to take the OP/ED out of every episode and just have one file for it. With Hi10p and AAC it may only cut off 20-60Mb per episode but with the smaller filesizes in each episode it will add up.
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# derpy | 2011-12-25 09:38
amen to that. by going with hi10p you've already broken compatibility with shitty hardware and software (a good thing in my book), why not use ordered chapters as well? besides, you've used it for flcl's ending, haven't you?
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# fygy5 | 2011-08-31 22:20
This is seriously a step in the wrong direction. You say its the future but your adopting a power hungry codec that in my opinion eliminates were the future of tech is going, i.e. tablet/mobile computing. set top media boxes. With this were stuck to watching it on power hungry PC's that may or may not even play them. At least untill theres some good software that'll convert to something most alt media players will work with I say stick with what works. Most look great already and I would gladly sacrifice a few meg's of space for cross platform compatability
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-31 22:24
10-bit can be pretty easily converted to any other format... plus, if you are looking for anime for your tablet/netbook. .. you probably shouldn't be getting stuff from an HD anime group. If you are converting it, then it shouldn't really make a difference right?
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# fygy5 | 2011-08-31 23:28
Every instance ive done to convert 10bit back down to 8bit makes for some terible picture blochy colors and what not. Thou ill admit to sneeking some episodes in at work on the ipad most of my watching come from streaming to the TV via WD media box that wont play hi10p and heck most of the boxee forums are full of anime watchers. Handbrake said they arent going to support hi10p so what are you using to easily covert to any other format? Specificly Mp4 that works on appleTV2, and WD Media players.
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-31 23:32
I suggest you use a more advanced encoder like MeGUI that uses AviSynth. That way, the 10-bit video will be decoded by the default Windows DirectShow decoder (which you should set to LAV Video Decoder).

I know this sounds like alot of work, and maybe it is to setup, but there's are alot of tutorials on how to use MeGUI. I'm sure you can pick it up in no time.
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# fygy5 | 2011-09-09 19:21
Good call on the MeGUI. After a little tweeking it works pretty pimp to go back to 8-bit, then re-encode (and burn the subs in for my X-box homies). I come out with a 720p To Aru Kagaku no Railgun episode thats 40 megs smaller than your origanal rip, and in my opinion looks exactly the same and plays on my WD box and ipad.
Go Team Venture
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# sunfizz98 | 2011-08-29 20:33
Would an ion2 system be able to handle the hi10P stuff? I tried your 1080p 8bit releases and they work great so far. From what I understand at the moment, there is no hardware acceleration support for hi10P yet.
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-31 22:25
I honestly don't know. I do not have an Nvidia Ion system to test with. But, after CoreAVC 3.0 comes out, I'm sure you'll be able to.
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# zero | 2011-09-02 18:33
any ideas when CoreAVC 3.0 comes out? i use CoreAVC 2.0 to play 1080p in 8bit and it works smoothly. Now im just waiting for 3.0 to see if i can play 1080p in Hi10p, any news would definetly help a lot
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# Oscar | 2011-08-28 22:25
Pushing an immature technology such as Hi10P shortly after it becomes available is unnecessary and irresponsible. There is no doubt in my mind that the tech will find its place sometime in the future, but at the moment it's merely an experiment at best.
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-28 22:30
I've already waited for quite a while before making this decision. And, it's now well supported enough for us to actually use it for general releases. Sure, it's not as mature as any 8-bit system, but that doesn't mean, we can just forget about it. Hi10P's been around for a while, you just haven't heard of it cause it was supported enough (till now). Like I stated in the post and earlier comments, the tech world never got anywhere without people behind the scene forcing new standards.
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# zero | 2011-08-28 13:58
Hey there, i've been having some problems playing HI10P ever since it came out, i've tried potplayer, MPC_HC with cccp, MPC-HC with madvr (according to haruhichan blog my system isn't compatible with it, and i've tried MPC-HC and potplayer with Lav video decoder. I've never had problems playing 1080p videos that were 8bit, even gss gundam 00 movie ran smoothly in my computer. I posted my specs on haruhichan forums for hi10p but i'll post them here to if someone could help me find out whats going wrong
my specs for my laptop are
processer : Intel (R) Core (TM)2 Duo CPU T6600 @2.20GHz
ram : 4GB
video card : Mobile Intel (R)4 Express Chipset Family

my cpu seems to go crazy when playing HI10P, someone at the haruhichan forums told me that my system should have no problem playing hi10p. but for some reason everytime i download a 1080p video in hi10p my cpu runs around 50-100% without warning. if someone could help me i would really appreciate it.
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# zero | 2011-08-28 14:00
"edit" everytime i play a hi10p video my cpu goes crazy i mean
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# killazys | 2011-08-28 21:13
Did you try SMPlayer?
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# Petrushka | 2011-08-28 21:51
>T6600

did u watch 1080p on notebook? or did u connect it to ext TV via HDMI?
if yes, u shouldn't ever use that.

it's not Hi10p fault. it's ur system. moreover ur VGA is Intel chipset D:

my notebook is T6500 @2.10GHz and VGA ATi HD4330 and i won't play 1080p on it. because i know that there's no guarantee it can play it perfectly fine (˘_˘٥)

i suggest u to watch 720p. well, back then i forced myself to download both 1080p and 720p b4 i bought a new desktop. 1080p to archive, and 720p to watched ( ╹◡╹) (╹◡╹ )
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# zero | 2011-08-29 12:46
yes i was able to play 1080p on my pc without a problem, but i can't play 1080p in hi10p, but im going to stick with 720p, i really can't tell the difference between 720 and 1080 on my screen anyways, they both look the same, even in hi10p, anyway thanks for the reply i appreciate the info :)
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# Petrushka | 2011-08-29 20:57
i'm happy if that can help u. for another info, this was a comment from haruhi.can
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ShadowVlican’s and most other here’s problem is not related to weak CPU at all, it’s the GPU which can not keep up. A hexa-core Phenom is more than enough for Hi10P playback, the integrated GPU with default settings is not. I assume the added load for the Hi10P on the GPU derives from the additional dithering and higher precision of math required.
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# DFC | 2011-08-28 10:07
I could really care less about the Hi10p because I re-encode my videos anyway to how I like them. I'm just going to have to add a few lines to the program I made myself to help with the way I encode videos. If anything, it'll help out by decreasing the file size, which means less download time.

The FLAC, though, should really go. As mentioned, it's a lossless format. Lossless codecs are for archiving, not distribution. Putting lossless in a distribution format is bloating the filesize. AAC is far more sufficient. Also, unless you have the $10,000 audio equipment, you WON'T hear the difference. Even then, there's barely any. It's not worth the money put forth in it. It's audiophiles who are stupid enough to invest that much money in such minute differences. If you're like me (which you're probably not), minor differences are insignificant.
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# cmos | 2011-08-27 11:45
This is great news, both about Hi10p and AAC. Now, if only your release speed was a bit higher you would probably be the best group.
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# Revenant | 2011-08-30 11:14
Quoting cmos:
This is great news, both about Hi10p and AAC. Now, if only your release speed was a bit higher you would probably be the best group.

There's no "best" group out there imo. We're even a bit "special" in our ways.
The best is apparently CRF 13 with FLACebo and unrevised Scripts put on top.
I'm sorry we don't deliver this.
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# cmos | 2011-08-30 13:12
Well, at least the best for my tastes. I don't like having a filesize of 1-1.5GB or even more per episode of some slow show. There should be a reasonable compromise between noticeable video quality and size. I appreciate you trying to find it.
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# HELL YEAH | 2011-09-06 15:20
I think you should take as long as you want although with progress updates. BD encodes are for archiving, after all. What is the point of archiving a release that isn't as good as it could have been?
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# Kiriel | 2011-08-27 00:24
>upscaling 8bit sources into 10bit
I just love my blurred gradients and extra processing power required for less banding(not a big issue really if you can encode correctly) and less file size when storage space keeps getting cheaper and cheaper
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-27 00:26
and when bandwidth caps keep getting more and more ridiculous
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# papsi | 2011-08-27 04:02
True true... :(
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# Kiriel | 2011-08-28 22:15
but I live in a real country without those.
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-28 22:16
Lucky you XD
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# Revenant | 2011-08-30 11:12
Quoting Kiriel:
but I live in a real country without those.

Download CGI then.
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# HELL YEAH | 2011-08-26 16:57
I love you guys.

Force the standard! I can guarantee that my bandwidth shall be burned on your future releases.
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# Gustus_Mack | 2011-08-26 06:21
I trust that low download numbers will not discourage you. Torrent stats suggest 10-bit is a niche market for now and probably at least for another year. It's eventual acceptance may not be inevitable for 3 reasons:
1. Most people are satisfied with current video quality
2. File size has never been less of an issue for many
3. A large base of non-upgradable business-school laptops

Tech that doesn't address consumer needs has often fallen by the wayside.
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-26 07:39
I fully realize that 10-bit encoding is still far from the norm, or even popular. However, my direction with this group is to try to push it out towards that direction.

1. Most people are satisfied, but that doesn't mean there's nothing better out there.
2. File Size has always been a huge debate, many people don't have a problem, but there are also many people who have bandwidth caps and need to really plan out their download. Hi10p encodes will kind take the best of both worlds.
3. Honestly, if you are using a single core processor... why are you trying to play HD video? It's almost like trying to play Crysis on it and complaining that it doesn't work. There are so many alternative to watching anime that WILL work for those people. There are even ways to playback 720p Hi10p smoothly on the first generation of Core Duo processors. So, it's really only dropping the lowest of low CPUs.

My point is... Technology will never advance unless there are people who are pushing for that advance. 5 years ago, I was very satisfied with alot of the tech we have. But large companies kept pushing out newer ways of doing things that push compatibility, and guess what... I'm even more satisfied now XD
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# Res | 2011-08-25 16:47
Quote:
MUCH LESS banding. 10-bit encodes means.. 10-bit color.. meaning there are more colors to use to fill up gradient areas. Especially as a group who prioritizes smaller file sizes, banding has always been the number 1 largest issue, and this.. basically solves it.
No it doesn't ,bluray is 8-bit color. So using Hi10p wont magically give you ten-bit colors like you claim.Also if you cant deband your encodes properly without Hi10p then you should learn to encode better instead of jumping on the noob encoder train and instantly switching to 10-bit.
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-25 16:55
XD I highly suggest you do a little more research before you make yourself seem more of a noob than you already are...
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# Res | 2011-08-25 21:38
Quoting Ametatsu:
XD I highly suggest you do a little more research before you make yourself seem more of a noob than you already are...

Take your own advice ,you have done mostly rips that have already been done better by other groups .Summer wars>utw/frosti i ,Angel beats >tormaid /atsa ,Clannad after story>Doki ,Origin >thora,spice and wolf 2 >yabai, tatami galaxy > NP complete and there's more so stop thinking your special and being a noob coder.
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-26 07:32
First, I'd like to point out that most of those releases you pointed out are out original remux release that were not encoded by us (back when we first started), with the exception of Angel Beats (which was better than atsa, as agreed with most of the community, i can't judge against tormaid, as i havent' seen it myself), and Clannad (which I will admit, wasn't the best encode =\).

Second, to go against your original comment, yes 10-bit encoding makes a huge difference, even if the source is 8-bit. Yes, BDs are 8-bit, but they have bitrates as high as 50Mbps, meaning banding and color issues were never a problem, if the producer was good, at least. However, encodes that are released on the internet, especially ones targeting lower file sizes do not have that 50Mbps of bitrate to work with, but instead have about 3-4. Because of the lower amount of bitrate, there will be detail loss, no matter what. No matter how much filtering I apply, or how many debanding techniques I use, it still doesn't change the fact that the encodes need more bitrate. Have you ever noticed that our releases all have much smaller filesizes than the alternate options (well.. generally)?

However, when I encode in 10-bit I have the 10-bit color spectrum to replicate those same amount of colors found in the 50Mbps 8-bit BD. This means if I encode 10-bit 3Mbps, I could essentially get the same color quality I would be say... 8Mbps 8-bit, without sacrificing file size.

If you still don't believe me, why don't you go download a BDMV yourself and go get an encode down to about 400-500MB without losing any gradients and details, then we can talk.
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# Anon | 2011-08-24 22:02
I support this all the way. I never did notice the differences in quality with FLAC anyways.
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# Haseo | 2011-08-24 14:33
Great news guys. I have a little question: I'm using CCCP (the latest version) to play back Hi10p and it looks just fine but I read that madVR has a better video quality than ffdshow in CCCP... is this a true ? If so, is the difference significant or is the CCCP good enough to play back Hi10p ? (now I'm just asking about image quality, not a performance).
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-24 23:18
I would highly recommend you never use default CCCP settings for Hi10p, you video will look like shit without you really realizing. Following the guide on Haruhichan for now, either get madVR and use the built-in decoder there, or use LAV Video Decoder. DO NOT USE ffdshow... please XD
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# Haseo | 2011-08-25 10:43
Well I did try to play back that OP/ED sample of Steins;gate from Commie and it looked like on this comparison screen screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/66205 so I guess CCCP can decode Hi10p and it looks significantly better than 8 bit.... Or are you saying that with madVR you can get even better quality than it is on that comparison screen ? I'm using cccp for many years together with KMplayer so I dont really want to change codecs.. I would just like to know (or see) difference in the quality between Hi10p decoded from cccp and the one by madVR...
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-25 11:07
If you are using KMPlayer without changing the settings then you are not really even using CCCP at all. I actually have not tested Hi10p yet with the builtin KMPlayer codecs. If you have changed the settings to use different codecs, and have chosen ffdshow, then you will get very varied results. Sometimes it will work just fine, sometimes it will look like shit.
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# Haseo | 2011-08-25 12:24
I have heavily modified settings in KMplayer for the highest quality and I'm not using KMplayer codecs. Anyway, thanks for the advices and some usefull information.
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# papsi | 2011-08-25 11:26
Just install CCCP, reconfigure it using imouto's guide, and that's all. You don't need any madness (madVR), nor love (LAV) to enjoy in both 8-bit (with or without DXVA) and 10-bit (without DXVA) encodes.

In fact, when I saw the configuration for madVR on imouto, it was truly a madness.
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# Haseo | 2011-08-25 12:25
Where can I find that guide for CCCP configuration ?
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# papsi | 2011-08-25 18:54
First: use CCCP 2011-07-30. Don't forget to reset your CCCP settings before configuring: go to Start menu -> CCCP -> CCCP Settings, on the window click on Next, check "Reset All Settings", and Apply.

Second: Reenter CCCP Settings. In the first window uncheck "DXVA H264" and "VC1", then click on Next, and Apply. The other settings can be left on the default values (well I modify here some other things, too, but that's not important here).

(continued in the next comment)
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# papsi | 2011-08-25 18:54
Third: the imouto guide:
imouto.my/watching-h264-videos-using-dxva/

Do only steps 2 and 4, because step 1 is already configured with CCCP, and step 3 is not necessary (not for me anyways). After the configuration, you will enable DXVA for 8-bit encodes. If you want to enable 10-bit, just go to View -> Options -> Internal Filters, and in Transform filters, untick "H264/AVC (DXVA)" and "H264/AVC (FFmpeg)", and restart the player. This will disable DXVA, but will enable 10-bit encodes (hardware acceleration for 10-bit is not yet possible).
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# random | 2011-08-24 11:13
Sounds good to me. Smaller filesize + good quality.

I just hope CoreAVC 3.0 comes out soon with 10-bit support. Makes everything run smoother for me.
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# killazys | 2011-08-25 10:52
Quoting random:
Sounds good to me. Smaller filesize + good quality.

I just hope CoreAVC 3.0 comes out soon with 10-bit support. Makes everything run smoother for me.


If you have an nVidia card, you can try out the LAV Decoders for hardware acceleration. They're much better than CoreAVC anyway ;P
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# Catpaw | 2011-08-24 10:31
Great update, smaller filesize is much appreciated. Hardware is not an issue, but i've got a couple of questions regarding the software: will i need additional software/codecs to play 10 bit on mpc other than those needed to play your previous 8 bit encodes? Will the scan/search time be longer, like now is when playing some 1080p compared to 720p?
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-24 23:17
I have not noticed any slower scan speeds in my testing, and yes you will need additional codecs. Check out the guide on Haruhichan for more help.
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# Catpaw | 2011-08-25 02:10
Thanks, i found the guide and i'll ask there for further troubleshooting . Glad to hear there's no decreased scan speed!
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# tormaid | 2011-08-24 06:31
I hope you are at least encoding the AAC in VBR and not locking it at 320kbps...

I still don't see the point of a BD group particularly caring about filesize. Honestly since 99% of shows are upscaled why not drop 1080p or do what EVERYONE ELSE dose and just make size a priority with the 720, and quality the priority with the 1080p release.
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-24 06:39
Yes we are, I just used 320Kbps as an example because nobody will understand if I say Q0.6 or Q0.8.

www.elysiumsubs.com//blog/item/55-changes#comment-1124
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-24 06:47
Well, the fansubbing world would be a pretty boring place if we did what EVERYONE ELSE is doing, wouldn't it? ^.^

But even if we stick with FLAC for 1080p, we'll still get video to audio file size ratios like 1:0.8 with Hi10p, which is... still really pushing it.
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# rude | 2011-08-24 04:54
Could Elysium give a OP or ED sample between 8bit, 10bit, and loss-less encode examples for us to see ourselves? This can be added on your Video Playback Help option www.elysiumsubs.com/help/playback-help.

Also noticed under the KMPlayer Method, no direction for Haali Media Splitter support for those having who have ordered chapter from various other fansub groups. Good setup here wiki.bakabt.me/index.php/KMPlayer
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# Schezza | 2011-08-24 04:53
yay +1 for AAC.

Yea, if people can hear the difference, they shouldn't be watching anime.. haha
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# papsi | 2011-08-24 02:53
Good choices! 10-bit is the future. I'm also satisfied with your choice of AAC.

As for hardware compatibility for 10-bit encodes, to my knowledge, to this time, is pretty much 0 (zero). Computers with software playback only... Hardware compatibility can come later, but I wouldn't be surprised that only the new generation will support it, because of hardware limitations.
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# Revenant | 2011-08-24 02:35
Gotta discuss supplying a DDL for the FLAC audio for the dedicated self-muxers with Batman ears.
The FLAC for Madoka is about 380 mb per Episode, whilst the AAC is about 50 mb. Just a few actual numbers.
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# bob | 2011-09-06 14:55
Quoting Revenant:
Gotta discuss supplying a DDL for the FLAC audio for the dedicated self-muxers with Batman ears.
The FLAC for Madoka is about 380 mb per Episode, whilst the AAC is about 50 mb. Just a few actual numbers.


Then how about supplying a ddl for an 8bit encode for the dedicated self-muxers with hardware decoders?

I'm willing to bet that there's a lot more of us (quiet ion/atoms for the home theater) than there are "batman ears" out there...
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# Ametatsu | 2011-09-06 18:12
FLAC takes about 10 minutes to encode a whole show. 8-bit video takes about 50+ hours potentially... doesn't really sound reasonable to me.

If you are a dedicated self-muxer... why don't you just grab the 8-bit video from the tens of other video sources out there?
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# MagusHrist | 2011-08-24 01:54
Excellent choice on moving to 10-bit video! I fully support it.
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# Blazing Badger | 2011-08-24 01:19
I love that you are switching to Hi10p but I am a little disappointed that you are dropping FLAC. I always try to expand 2ch audio to 5.1ch using AC3 filter for my sound system and FLAC seems to sound better because it can expand and enhance the entire audio, not just what the lossy AAC left behind. I also plan to keep my anime for years to come so it is better to have as many formats that are lossless as possible in case I have to convert them (obviously it will be almost impossible for the video unless I want to just download or buy the blu-ray). Saying that though I understand it does not fit with the low file size theme of this group so I hope you the best. It will be just a little harder to choose your group in the future.
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-24 06:36
I also do this with all my shows cause I have 5.1Ch Speakers. And I know exactly what you are talking about when the audio isn't as clear with AAC. However, as I stated in the post, when we are encoding at Q0.6-0.8 (~320Kbps), it works just as well as FLAC (maybe even better due to better codecs with more enhanced upmxing filters built in).
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-24 06:42
The crackling and unclear audio is due to either a bad audio source (as with most all TV-Rips) or low bitrate. However, our AAC encodes will always provide enough bitrates, and we obviously use a much better source. You should never see these issues. However, if you do, just shoot me a comment/email and I'll help you cause you probably are just doing your settings wrong.

In fact, I use foobar to upmix MP3 music even at 160Kbps (Just can't find anything higher sometimes) and it works perfectly.
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# Clam | 2011-08-23 23:32
Does ACC have a variable bitrate option like mp3 does? i don't know too much about audio encoding and whatnot, but I do know that a v0 VBR mp3 will sound pretty much identical to a 320 CBR mp3 while saving a few MB.
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-23 23:51
Yes, we will always encode AAC with VBR, at about Q0.6-Q0.8. It's just that if I say the Q values, everyone will just scratch their heads confused. However, everyone understands how birates work, so I use estimated bitrates to discuss the topic.
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# MyRequiredName | 2011-08-23 23:09
I'm glad you guys are dropping FLAC since it is completely unnecessary. It bloats the filesize when it can be toned down with practically the same audio quality for less size. However, I'm not too excited for the Hi10p just yet. I can play 1080p BluRays no problem with CoreAVC, but if the times comes where I need to rely on ffdshow or madVR to play Hi10p... I'll be fucked. Just one poster here expressing his opinion. Hi10p is glorious, but it'll definitely hurt me if I don't get a new computer ;_;
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# Clam | 2011-08-23 23:33
According to the CoreAVC twitter, CoreAVC 3 (which will support hi10p) is almost done, going to the beta testers tomorrow.
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# MyRequiredName | 2011-08-23 23:39
I checked it out a little while back but never found a release date. Thanks for the info!
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-23 23:52
That's great news. I'll have to do more testing with this as well.
I really hope DivX will add support soon. It's my preferred codec over CoreAVC for low-end machines.
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# Ringo Starr | 2011-08-23 23:02
Hear hear! I always thought it was senseless to use FLAC when high-bitrate AAC is more than sufficient. Here's to ultra-low filesizes.

Are there any plans to go back and re-encode your past releases in 10-bit, or is that too much trouble for too little gain?
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-23 23:13
Nope, sorry. Mainly it's just not worth it. Especially since we no longer have the sources...
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# flopdos | 2011-08-23 23:02
what do you guys think of 1080 10bit 720 8bit?
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-23 23:14
Sorry, if we're going 10-bit, we gotta keep it consistent =\
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# R_Duckie | 2011-08-23 22:59
I think most of us are all for better video + smaller file sizes but there's one huge question I have: Will there be any issues playing these new files on the PS3 w/ PS3 Media Server?
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# Ametatsu | 2011-08-23 23:14
That's part of the "testing" that I'm working on. I'll post something up about this with the new Playback page that's coming.